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argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by hind'sfeet on Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:17 am

Matthew 16:28

I don't think Jesus was telling the disciples they would see Jesus 2nd coming at the end times, but that they would see Jesus BEFORE He ascended to His Kingdom and would see Him ascend to His Kingdom.

There are some arguments out there I completely disagree with that, we won't be taken away in the blink of an eye, and they say that the 2nd coming Already happened. That is the verses they use to prove their argument.

I realize that you have to keep verses within context and so does anyone have any thoughts on the previous verse? Matthew 16:27

My thoughts on it were He could be speaking of 2 separate events.
Matthew 16:27 OR My thoughts are that He is referring to His coming into our hearts and to Judge our/man's hearts and Judging non believers by their unbelief and deeds, and the angels as our helpers. After all His Angels are not OUR angels and wouldn't be referred ever as man's angels.


27-28
For I, the Son of man, will come in the glory of my Father with his angels and will judge all people according to their deeds.
And I assure you that some of you standing here right now will not die before you see me, the Son of Man, coming in my Kingdom.

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Post by Nyagali on Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:51 pm

I'd love to share more on this. It is interesting that those of us who understand dreams to be so symbolic and understand that Jesus spoke in parables, and doesn't speak to the mind but to the spirit, yet we can take some things in scripture so literally....I'll share more on what the Lord has taught me on this when I can.
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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by hind'sfeet on Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:00 pm

I'd love to hear what you have to say!

I had only thought about what I posted today as I had glanced at the verse and having read those other argument recently. That's what came to mind and I was like "WOW could that really be what He meant"?


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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by hind'sfeet on Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:17 pm

Thank you Joy, please send me some links! This is very interesting

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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by swords99 on Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:49 am

The Scriptures do tell us that Christ's 2nd coming will not be in secret. So there is no way it has happened already.

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Post by True Flight on Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:47 pm

Wow,
some of you will not die before you see me.
The passage is talking about the 2nd coming, but its all so talking about judgement day.
so if some wont die before they see Jesus,
We are talking about the 2nd death (the Spirit)
Am I to understand that when a person dies he goes to heaven or hell.
But on judgement day a person that went to heaven may still go to hell.
I'm not allways good at finding passages, but dint Jesus say "I pray for mankind threw all eternity" something like that
Indicating that even though we are in Heaven we could still turn our hearts against God.
This is not an indication that Jesus has returned, a comment such as that would come from one who is not being taught by the Holy Spirit.
Pretty sure thats whats being said
man, more revelation I have to piece together.

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Post by hind'sfeet on Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:31 pm

True, I was actually thinking about something like that... Satan turned against God when he was in heaven... why would it not be possible for us to? I don't really like thinking about that because when I was thinking about it I felt some fear!

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Post by True Flight on Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:24 pm

It came to mind too, that maybe he was talking past the people and speaking to the devils, but I think I'm on course with the first one, I'm going to do a study on this, I fear however that it may take 6 months before I get the answer.

hind'sfeet, that fear draws me to jealosy, because the Lord commands it of us and some times I feel that I dont fear him in the ways I should. And that scares me a bit. I thinks we need to be vigalent

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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by hind'sfeet on Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:29 pm

Please keep me informed on your study! I know that God will answer our questions, except for some that are not ready to be answered.

Tell me some about how it draws you to jealousy. I want to experience that the way He commands and I too Often fear that I don't fear Him enough.

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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by True Flight on Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHm4_w4dIc
Bingo
You may have to review this a few times to catch what he is saying.
I'm still looking into it but this guy makes good sense.

I'm often brought to jealosy when I hear the heart (thoughts) of others.
Its like a reminder to me, that this is where I need to be.
I search for him daily, but all ways fear that I may be on the wrong course.
There are so many going a stray.
I know my love for him and my desire for him are in the right place, but it is so important to get it right.
And yet we live in a body of sin, that seems closer to hell then Heaven.
It is truely an over whelming love for us, that gives him the grace to save us.
I guess that is why I dont fear, because love over comes all.
And I know he loves me.
The Bible tells me so, And so has he.

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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by hind'sfeet on Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:46 pm

AHHH, I know what you are talking about... I get jealous of others closeness to God and how He manifests in their lives, too! I keep trying to ward off those feelings, because I think it's the same as being jealous of someone, and I've always been told/read that jealousy towards people is not good at all.
I can say that I was SO jealous that God would answer/bless others and I didn't see Him answering/blessing me!! But then again the Bible says that God is Jealous for us.

Amen about the perfect loves casts out all fear. I don't think we are to be Scared of God but to be Respectful ie. not treating him as "just one of the boys" a common friend.

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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by swords99 on Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:50 am

The Bible teaches that once a person is in heaven they can never be removed. Our "fate" is sealed based on whether we accept Christ in this life or not, and Jesus said no one can snatch his people away from him. When we look at the story of the rich man and the beggar Lazarus in Luke, it mentions that there's a wide and fixed gulf between hades and Abraham's bosom, (also called Paradise). Meaning one cannot cross to the other side.

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Post by hind'sfeet on Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:43 am

That's a good point swords. I was just thinking about that and got the thought that satan really is just trying to scare us and make us think that we could have the same "fate" as him when he was in heaven.

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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by swords99 on Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:37 am

Concerning Matt:16: .27-28: It says they will see the Son of man coming in his kingdom before they died and they did because the next chapter continues:

Matt 17:1-2 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

I believe this shows that they saw the glory of His kingdom on the Mt. of Transfiguration.

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Re: argument that there has already been the second coming of Jesus

Post by True Flight on Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:51 pm

I compleatly agree with the post above, but the one before that I thinks our foundations are a bit diffrent.
No biggie, our salvation dosnt depend on us agreeing on everything.

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