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How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by butterfly on Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:18 am

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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by Dove-Solutions on Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:18 am

I know what you mean but I believe when a persons anger becomes rage it is no longer just natural anger but demonic influencing that anger.

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Connie


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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by RnestseekR on Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:45 pm

Does it matter? Whether it is of one's self (and a lack of control of self) or demonic, it is not Godly. Are you losing focus trying to label something when the ultimate need is for this person to be restored to God and for His Spirit to teach this person self-control? Don't take my words harshly. I am just asking you to examine where you may be losing energy that needs to be reserved for prayer. Are you in harm's way? Is a child in harm's way? I think I agree w/ Connie that there may be a continuum starting w/ natural anger that is not brought under control into something deeper, with less and less of our control and more and more of who we let have control over us - Satan.
You have some concerns, otherwise you would not be voicing these questions. What are your real concerns? Concerns for this person specifically? Concerns for those who are in the sphere of influence of this person? I hope this is a safe place where you can speak up your true concerns and get, at the very least, prayer support.
Why has God placed you in the place you are in? How can you bring forth fruit of the Spirit in your own life or someone else's because of this situation? Are you being called to intercession? Or are you being called to protect the innocent? I do not sense that you are the one to go head to head with any demons that may be involved in this situation. Do not get distracted by worrying about a job you are not called nor prepared to do. BUT do pay attention to what God wants from you in this situation. Pray about it. God is good and He will lead you!
May you be blessed for your love and patience for this person. May God open your eyes to what He desires for you to do in this situation and how you can extend God's love and grace to the people involved in this lack of self-control. He has instilled and equipped with you with what He wants you to do. Trust Him! In His Grip, RNest

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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by butterfly on Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:32 am

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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by RnestseekR on Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:55 am

Butterfly - No offense OK. I'm going to ask a few more questions to get you dig deeper. Don't do them for my sake, it makes no difference to me. But you posted this under the counseling section, so "let's cousel". I don't want to argue. That's not helpful. And bottom line, you are the one that is there, in that relationship in which you don't have a whole lot of choices to walk away. So, let's agree before going any further, that this is about exploring a topic further with the hope that God can help you see what He desires to happen in this situation, that He may be glorified and that your loved one may be restored.
When you say "jump in", what do you mean? Does she know that when she gets that angry, she is out of control? Have you been able to reflect that back to her in a calm manner when she is not having an episode so she can see how others see her when she is that out of control? What does she get from her anger? Why does she choose to act this way? (These are questions you have to be asking her or asking of the situation if you really want to know how much of this behavior pattern she is choosing and how much is out of her control/demonic). Do you see what I am saying about the continuum between what we choose that spirals down to something we don't have control over to something that we let Satan have control over?
Is she saved?
"Anger is a person's response to anger-producing situation. It is the result of one's CHOOSING how he feels. Incidences or situations do not make us angry; we choose to be angry as the result of a situation." That's taken directly from a psychiatric anger management manual. Isn't it also biblical? That when we get into anger provoking situations, God wants us to make choices in which we control ourselves, in which we serve the other person instead of our own personal interests?
Either way (meaning a poor behavior pattern or spiritual, meaning demonic) she needs help. She needs behavioral help in understanding what anger is, what it is doing to her body (as you pointed out) and what she is getting out of choosing this behavior. She needs spiritual help (which is where I think your heart is) to know Jesus and to know how to grow strong in the Spirit (was it Daphne or Mia who posted about the dream where she literally grew larger than the demonic spirit that had been sent to buffet her?).
It sounds like you are correct to be so concerned.
Everyone gets angry. Everyone gets anxious. Everyone gets discouraged or depressed. But you have to look at how often it is happening, and does it impair your day-to-day functioning. If this person is making herself sick, then it crosses the line from normal, to being an "issue".
I would be curious to know if someone is able to define for you, in this case, whether this is strictly a demonic issue. I am not saying it isn't demonic. I honestly do not know. I am just pointing out that there are some choices that she is making in CHOOSING rage which means even if you deal with the buffeting spirit, she has to deal with her own spirit as well.
I guess what I am asking back to you, is can you clearly say this is only demonic or only natural? What if it's both? What do you think? Is it only one or the other or can it be both?

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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by butterfly on Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:29 am

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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by RnestseekR on Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:49 pm

Hmmm. Couple thoughts to reflect back.
1.) It does sound like the anger is spreading through your home. I don't know if that is a specific demon, but certainly your home environment and family are under attack! I always see everything as having two sides - both the physical and the spiritual.
2.) Who is in authority over your sister? A husband? A father or mother? A grandparent? What is that person doing about this issue? Why or why not are they responding? Is there anything you can do to help open the eyes of this authority figure to the damage that is being caused to your family? You may not be in a place "fix" anything right now, you may just need to be the tower watcher, so to speak. You may just need to be the one to bring to light the issue. That will take a lot of perseverance and prayer on your part. I think, from what I know of you through your posts, that you are up for that.
3.) Clearly, at least one thing she gets from her rage is CONTROL. Control over other people. Control over the situation. Is this the only way she can get control over her life? Has something really terrible happened to her that she had no control over so now she has learned a method to control other people? (Please reflect privately, not necessary to post publicly).
4.) Not only is anger lurking in your home, but FEAR as well. Read back over your descriptive post about how these altercations occur. Do you see it? Do you feel it? Read back over your post and notice what emotions YOU feel. Maybe journal those???
5.) You seem to be managing the rage as only it can be managed by keeping things from escalating. But is there ever a calm time for your sister when you could approach in love and tell her how things are from your point of view? And not even from the standpoint of, "When you do this, this is how I feel. . ." b/c it doesn't sound like she could even hear that right now. But present it from the point of, "When you go into a rage, I worry that it will make you sick. Do you worry that it will make you sick?" She may or may not see the correlation between her health and rage the way you do. She may see it and still not care.
This sounds like a serious issue. A very serious issue. you only have control over so much. But I sense that you understand that when you say, "I do not want to involve myself in a situation in which I am not prepared to deal with it." Keep using that wisdom. Look around at what resources God has placed in your path. I will be praying for you, Sister. Please report back on your well-being and your sisters. Satan must be mad as all get out at you for not letting him just win this battle. I have prayed for protection for you. Take care!

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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by butterfly on Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:10 pm

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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by Cholette on Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:17 pm

Prayer is the only way through this Butterfly. The Bible tells us that our fight is not against flesh and blood. Anyone who reads this should back you in prayer because the devil is a liar. She is obviously under the control of the evil one and we have the authority through Christ to command the enemy to loose her. I will be praying along with you and present her to the prayer team. It's time for us to take back our families because the devil is REALLY trying to disturb the families by using anyone he can to divide. The fact that you have family members that don't want to be around her out of fear is DEFINATELY a confirmation of that. NO MORE!!! Not under our watch...we have too much power that has been given to us to let this happen. UGH...I hate the devil!

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Re: How do you know when anger is more of a spiritual issue than a natural issue

Post by butterfly on Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:06 pm

Thanks very much Cholette.

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