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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by christi85 on Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:48 pm

I'm really glad ya'll are talking about this subject. It caused me a bunch of confusion at one time. I agree w/ what yall said and that is how I view things as well.

I will refrain from commenting on this chapter because of how much theology and doctrine you'd have to get into about it, which I don't feel qualified to do so I will ask yall's help, the seasoned veterans :-)

People may have questions in relation to Acts 16, What have you guys turned up with on your studies of that chapter? Secondly, what would you say to someone if they were concerned that they had such a spirit?

And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: 17The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. 18And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Mia Sherwood on Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:34 pm

What do you mean by turned up?

What the girl with the familiar spirit was saying was not prophecy, it was current fact.

Picture there are demons everywhere and many times we probably have a specific one assigned to be familiar with our lives.

Let's say I walk by a girl who can hear from a familiar spirit. Her familiar spirit hears from one the following me, which tells it, Mia has three kids and one of them is getting married next week.

It's not prophecy it's just a spirit that is familiar with my life that she can hear.


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Post by christi85 on Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:27 pm

By turned up I mean like uncovered through your studies, years of wisdom and personal experience.

Oooooh!!!!!!!!!! Mia, that is such a good explanation! I didn't get that before. The Lord once lead me to learn about spiritual warfare early last year and I read someones prayer where they commanded a demon searching oracle sent to discover their progress out in the name of Jesus... I thought that was like maybe someone had put a curse on you or something. I didn't know they could just follow you around. Ugh....

How often do you have to command these things to leave you so that the enemy cannot know your progress? (oppression)

And for clarification, if someone had a familiar spirit (possessing them) what would they do to get deliverance?

I'm asking because now-a-days astrology, new agey stuff, pornography, promiscuity and drug usage is so prevalent and accepted that I don't think people truly realize that such things open the door to the demonic in our lives, that demons are real... I am concerned about people my age because churches often don't talk about this openly, demons and such, and I don't know how to explain it to them in a way that makes sense. About how serious it is to turn from that stuff, repent, and ask the Lord for deliverance from any evil spirit that might have come into them or around them as a result of dabbling in those things.

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Mia Sherwood on Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:57 am

You would do what Paul did and tell it to get out.

I think that what you need to do is have a spirit of discernment. And dreams are a great part of that. If the Lord shows you an area that needs attention, with respect to casting out demons, then that would be the time to handle it. Otherwise, if you see the manifestation of a demon would be another way to know to when to deal with it. A true prophet at my church could smell them. Weird, I know, but true.

I'm pretty sure demons are always roaming about seeking someone they can make a home in.

Are the people you are referring to Christian?


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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by christi85 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:27 pm

I wonder if they smelt like sulfur? I've had several dreams where He has shown me them in dreams. In the one I am referring to it was this gang and when I prayed about who the gang was I felt like the Lord told me they were "familiar spirits." Have you ever known anyone who dreamed of gangs? the familiar spirits in the dream were sent to a. steal and tear my car apart. b. decieve and keep that person from knowing the Lord.

In the same dream with the gang, there was a ferocious woman with a sword wearing an orange shirt trying to kill me when I prayed about it I felt as though it was a Jezebel spirit, the woman was trying to attack me at my neighbors house? The people in these dreams are not christians.

I've had a dream where there were a bunch of colored orbs in a church and I was pointing saying "see I told you there were demons." I've had a dream with a woman laughing sadistically floating in red who in the dream I was commanding out of the church in the name of Jesus with my pastor... I'm so tired of demons. :- ( the people in these dreams are christians.

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by sonoftheKing on Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:10 pm

Ive always been under the impression that christians are to be simple minded concerning evil. I think sometimes we give the devil too much credit by trying to figure out how he works. satan is real and his demons are real and demons are assigned to us just like angels are assigned to us but as a child of God we dont have to learn about satans army to have success. As a child of God we are more than conquerers through Jesus Christ our Lord. I love what you said Mia its so true demons only know what they see or have heard. Only God knows the beginning to the end.

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Grey Butterfly on Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:58 pm

So true son of the king... if we keep facing Jesus, learning all we can about him and his ways, like someone who is an expert on art learns and absorbs his favourite artist (heard that from someone only a week ago) or an expert on legal tender (they study the real thing, not the myriad of counterfiets - or so I have heard) and we will know a fake easily... I really believe that.

I have asked Jesus to make me know his voice with the same ease I know my husbands voice.

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by sonoftheKing on Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:27 pm

wow i have heard that saying about bank tellers studying the real thing not the counterfeit before I just love hearing that Grey butterfly it fires me up everytime. God is so good.

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by daphanie02 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:08 am

AMEN!


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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Cholette on Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:53 am

Grey Butterfly wrote:I have asked Jesus to make me know his voice with the same ease I know my husbands voice.

I love that!!!


Do not fight FOR victory, but fight FROM THE PLACE of victory. Jesus has ALREADY won the battle!

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Mia Sherwood on Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:39 am

The car often times represents a person's physical life.

Coloredo rbs are usually demons in my dreams too and they are amazing to look it.

Sounds like spiritual warfare darling.


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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Mia Sherwood on Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:40 am

sonoftheKing wrote:Ive always been under the impression that christians are to be simple minded concerning evil. I think sometimes we give the devil too much credit by trying to figure out how he works. satan is real and his demons are real and demons are assigned to us just like angels are assigned to us but as a child of God we dont have to learn about satans army to have success. As a child of God we are more than conquerers through Jesus Christ our Lord. I love what you said Mia its so true demons only know what they see or have heard. Only God knows the beginning to the end.

Brother this post totally makes my heart leap, cuz you and I are on the exact same wave length and you are singing my tune!


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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Grey Butterfly on Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:55 pm

Christi, I just re-read what you wrote... in the light of it being spiritual warfare. I pray for your protection and for God's wings to surround you. I pray against familiar spirits, including the Jezebel spirit who would have God's people worship idols, and against demons hanging around Christian people! Jesus, wake your church up and give her eyes to see... even if she doesn't like what she sees!!!! How can your church fight if she feels comfortable Lord? If she sees, Lord, she will pray, if she sees Lord she will jump under your wings, she will use your armour. Please Jesus, let her see! And Jesus, for any who do, I pray you will roar like a lion through them and send those demons fleeing as they should! Oh Lord thank you, thank you that they recognise you and they tremble!

Oh Lord let us see you right and know your power and your deep deep love for us and let it make us tremble!

How I love you...

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Grey Butterfly on Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:57 pm

Hi Seraph,

I have been walking around (just living) and thinking on these things and praying... I had dark and scary dreams when I was younger and attributed them to demonic activity. I felt spooked in my own house at night. (I was about 25, so not childhood nightmares)

I began to pray for covering and presence of angels... I used my imagination as a tool, I prayed for the cleansing of my house and imagined a wind scouring the entire space and dark smoke like stuff leaving... I then imagined a huge dome - kinda like a dish cover or the cone of silence out of Maxwell Smart :o) coming down over my house... then I asked for angels and I imagined them stationed all over and round my house. Then I could sleep.

God is good, and he took those dreams away and I did not suffer from them for ages. I have also done things like stopping reading scary novels and watching violent movies... cos' they are fodder for these dreams.

Now, many years later, I have prayed for God to speak with me in my dreams and show me things and I have opened my heart to whatever he would show me... I believe that these dreams are from God... even if there is evil beings in them.

I want to share a story if I may... I know it is long, and it isn't from the bible, it is personal experience, however, I totally believe that God showed me this so I didn't end up back where I was, (freaked out by nightmares and demons hanging around.)

We all have had small thoughts that lead down paths towards sin... I know also, that when I let those thoughts go, or even worse, allow myself to enjoy them for a time... then they begin to come more frequently. The bible says to take every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ, and I believe that Jesus showed me that my thoughts have form in the heavenly realms... (like if you look at a woman lustfully, you have already committed adultery in your heart...) thoughts matter. So, I have a tool (a poem) I use to think of what is pure and lovely - and I use it.... I don't think "I mustn't think about that train of though...." because while I am doing that, all I am thinking about is not thinking about the train... and that involves thinking about the train :o)

One day, however, I was lazy. I allowed one of those trains of thought. I welcomed it in and entertained it instead of using my tool. That night I dreamed I was by the ocean and suddenly all the water receded, it revealed a scene of great beauty, green fields, trees, a little house with a picket fence... a path up to a hill and a little gate in the gap in a hedge at the top of the hill. I was enjoying looking at the scene until I saw a trickle of water come through the gate and run down the hill and suddenly i realised that when the ocean recedes like that it is a tsunami. I yelled a warning, grabbed a couple of nearby kids and turned to run... when I did, i realised that I was on a beach that was flat with no high ground at all... dream ends.

I woke up and was amazed and then slept again and had a dream that was along the same path as the sin thoughts I had allowed earlier in the day - but the dream was about 100 stations along past where I would even want to think about... it even went into illegal territory, the dream felt like an assault.... or like an overwhelming tsunami of wretched sin.

Now, when I woke up I felt in my spirit the following words;

All I have to do is shut the gate [in the daytime] and God will hold back the tsunami.

Now I could see that there is no strength in the tiny gate between those hedges... none at all, but I could see that my choice here was to do the small bit, the bit I was capable of, and God would do the rest...

Did God allow Satan to show me that awful dream to teach me a lesson??? Or is that already in me and did God simply take his finger off whatever he holds that protects me from the natural conclusion of allowing my own sinful thoughts???

I know that he rewards my capturing of thoughts, (and I've gotta say that is easier now!) I ask him to be the gatekeeper of my dreams in the night. If I am diligent to keep certain thoughts out during the day... I know he will not allow them to plague my dreams at night.

I know these are different to truly evil dreams - they are more dreams from my human, or sinful nature.... so perhaps this whole post is not relevant, but I believe God keeps me safe at night. Even if I have dreams that include evil spirits... they are instructive... they show me things I need to take care of. Things to beware of...

I'm wondering now if this will even be helpful Seraph, and I'm thinking about just not posting it.... I am feeling unclear....

You were saying that demons can give us dreams weren't you?

I believe that they can hang around and whisper in our ears... I also believe they have to leave if they are told to go... but also, and this is why I wanted to post it - I remember :o) If we open the gate to them, they can stroll in and say "I have an invitation"

That is what i wanted to say - beware of inviting them in and giving them any foothold. I know from what I said above, that God is more than able to protect us while we sleep, and we participate in that by asking him to, and by shutting the gate... the one, tiny little gate. He does the rest.

Oh I hope this helps and doesn't just make you go huh???

P'raps you already know... I am so not sure of myself! I need to take risks in order to learn, so...

God bless, Diane


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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by hind'sfeet on Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:03 am

Thank you for posting that Butterfly!!! It was very helpful to me. I never realized what you said about thoughtlife.
It's a real struggle for me to realize what I'm thinking about. My thoughts used to run on Auto... Not a good thing at all, they were NEVER good thoughts either... So coming out of that is/has been really difficult.

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by Grey Butterfly on Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:08 pm

I'm glad Hinds Feet :o)

I know there is a spot to post poetry etc, I might post it there, along with the confirmation God gave me that he would be in this tool with me... maybe you can use your own version of it to capture thoughts. bless you!

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Post by hind'sfeet on Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:05 pm

Yeah! I would really like that Cheering

Thank you Butterfly huggins

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Post by sonoftheKing on Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:31 pm

I really enjoyed your story butterfly its neat how you used a tool like that kinda as a reset button to cancel out sinful thoughts. It is hard sometimes to constantly filter my own thoughts especially when i am tired and my mind just kinda goes on auto. I might try to come up with something similar to that to help me. I totally agree with you on leaving open doors to sin and attacks. I try to cancel out evil thoughts and things as soon as they pop in. I have noticed over the years the more persistent I am on a specific area being targeted the less I get targeted. That makes sense to me though because demons are at war and their always going to try and attack us where we are weak and not strong.

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Post by Grey Butterfly on Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:41 pm

:o) Maybe that is an area we Christians ought to pray for one another. I think we must all struggle. I have been re-applying it myself today, to another area of my life... since it works so well in one, why not in another??? God has been so faithful, I am sure he will continue to be in any area that I ask him in.

The Poem is posted Hind's Feet, feel free to take it, or use it as a template to put your favourite things into... God bless :o)

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by hind'sfeet on Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:39 pm

Thank you Butterfly!!!

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Re: Demonic Dream Debate

Post by piano on Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:42 pm

I am quite glad I read this thread.
I have not read any books about prophecy, or followed any teachers specifically so without given any kind of thought to it, I assumed that some of the things I had dreamed over time were from the enemy.

Probably what I have read in passing had in some way influenced this train of thought.

I believe this is perfect timing for me to come to this understanding.
As much as I read scripture and study, I feel a little bit goofy, but not more than I am glad.

I do believe that ones flesh can bring about dreams, or influence them in a negative or positive way.
That being said, I do believe that the enemy can effect ones flesh, and so inadvertantly I can bring whatever is my concentration- either outside of Gods will or inside of Gods will, into my dream dynamic.

The flesh may have brought the prophets in Jeremiah that God did not send to their conclusions.
They were impressionable themselves and the people wanted to hear what they wanted to hear.

And Ecclesiates 5:7 KJV

For in the multitude of dreams and many words [there are] also [divers] vanities: but fear thou God.

I am uncertain about what God will do in my future as far as dreaming is concerned, but I can be glad to know that He has my today and tomorrow surrounded by His unfailing love.



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