Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

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Post by Delaine on Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:39 pm

Romans 11:29 adds light on the subject of non-Christians being able to tell the future. It states that the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance (or irrevocable). In other words, non-Christians and Christians alike are given certain gifts and abilities, and He doesn't change his mind about the gifts given just because the person is not a Christian.

I do not believe that the devil is capable of telling the future. What he can do is suggest the future, and if we fall into the trap of believing it, we ourselves make it come to pass through our words and actions. Life and death are in the power of the tongue, and they that love it will eat its fruit. Satan is very good at the power of suggestion (in your mind and emotions), and if you're not careful and you put words and actions to Satan's suggestions, you will cooperate with him to bring it to pass.

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by daphanie02 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:05 pm

Amen Delaine and Jeanie! flower
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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:32 pm

Butterfly,

I can only go by what the bible says and sometimes God says someone is going to die before they do. Jesus told His own disciple that he was going to die in a not-so-pleasant way. We have a biblical basis for hearing things that some people would never believe that God would tell us but it's written in black and white. God showed me that my grandmother would die before she died and I was grateful. I can handle anything if I am prepared for it what I can't handle is not knowing.

My seventeen year old aunt was raped and murdered. My mother dreamed and saw it happen that very night that it happened but my aunt was not found until three days later. What my mother saw was very disturbing and graphic and hard to believe it was from God. However, now thirty years later, the murder still unsolved, there were parts of that dream that are finally helping investigators make some progress. Parts that weren't paid any attention to before because the old investigators weren't all that great. So, back the dream seemed to be gruesome and worthless but now it is giving my mother some encouragment that she will eventually find closure on this entire ordeal.

Daphanie had a dream about several deaths. I've had several prophectic dreams about death. There are bible prophecies about death. Getting a prophecy about death is not necessarily satanic. HOWEVER, in addition to those not-so-pleasant things that God has shown us, we also have great and awesome and wonderful prophetic dreams and prophecies because cause is a God of truth and balance.

Now, with what you are talking about that you experienced, the things that you were dealing with in addition to the knowledge that your cousin was going to die is a totally separate issue. Those things if they haven't been dealt with definitely need to be dealt with.

This is the thing, no matter how smart, or famous, or popular, nor how many followers any author, preacher, evangelist, whatever has, if what they are teaching cannot be backed up in the bible it's scary because not only does it delay true freedom (because you shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free) if we continue in false doctrine and error it will completely block deliverance.

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:33 pm

hisbeauty4ashes wrote:Hi precious ones,

This is a great topic. I believe that only our Beloved father knows all things,and sees all things, and reveals all things. In this only he reveals all truth in a prophetic dream. This is my Jeanie two cents. Mia it is so good you throw this out because it causes us to ponder the heart of our Beloved and the dreams he gives.

I must say I am so on love with Jesus :goofy:

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:37 pm

[quote="daphanie02"]
My point is, that satan may say something to someone about their future, and it may come to pass, but in another instance he may say something else to the person and its WAY wrong. In my opinion he's just guessing.

I believe with all my heart that this goes on a lot of the time too. I read on a message board one time that a person had a dream 18 years prior that so and so died. Then, 18 years later, they did. They were wondering if the dream was prophetic and one person replied, It's amazing what will happen if you let enough time pass.


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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:38 pm

Delaine wrote:Romans 11:29 adds light on the subject of non-Christians being able to tell the future. It states that the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance (or irrevocable). In other words, non-Christians and Christians alike are given certain gifts and abilities, and He doesn't change his mind about the gifts given just because the person is not a Christian.

I do not believe that the devil is capable of telling the future. What he can do is suggest the future, and if we fall into the trap of believing it, we ourselves make it come to pass through our words and actions. Life and death are in the power of the tongue, and they that love it will eat its fruit. Satan is very good at the power of suggestion (in your mind and emotions), and if you're not careful and you put words and actions to Satan's suggestions, you will cooperate with him to bring it to pass.

Enjoyed everyone's comments! huggins

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This is another powerful addition to this topic. People often will make something true if they try hard enough.


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Post by butterfly on Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:00 am

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:01 am

Butterfly,

I agree that people in the occult can have supernatural power. I believe there are false prophets who LIE and then there are some who can prophesy a real future event because they may have been given the knowledge but they are evil. We have established that there are false prophets in the world, the Lord even took credit for allowing them to prophesy correctly. I do believe born again Christians can have demonic oppression and demonic strongholds and struggles.

I am very firm on this part because we need to be: With all that you've said, most of it is anectodotal because you did not supply biblical support that any person can have a dream or a correct prophecy through the occult. We must support everything that we hang our truth on in the Word.

We are in agreement though that there is power and problems through the occult in Christianity. Of that I have no doubt.

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by butterfly on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:42 am

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:06 am

I love your sweet little heart. You know I was just thinking.... this is really about dreams anyway.

The devil and false prophets surely will lie and add, "Thus saith the Lord...." and you are right unless we have discernment and are in close fellowship with the Lord we could be led astray. There are tares in the body and God has told us in advance so we should be (Matthew 10:16 Behold I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be) ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

We can get into all that stuff in another topic if you'd like but for now, let's talk strictly about does the devil give us prophetic dreams and can God give a prophecy to someone not born again backing it up biblically.

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:10 am

Oh!!!! Important note inspired by what Butterfly said:

While I believe that God can and does speak prophetic events through others than Christians (as we noted biblically).......... this does not mean that we follow what they say or the prophecy or even believe they are sent from God for these reasons:

1.) If one shows a sign or a wonder and it comes to pass but they encourage you to go after other Gods (Other Gods: money, self-promotion, selfishness which is really devil worship, blatant false religions, etc etc). DO NOT FOLLOW THEM! This is paraphrased and based on the above scripture in an earlier post.

2.) Know their fruit. If a person is NOT a HOLY GHOST CHARACTER FILLED Christian and they give you a prophecy - don't follow it! If you don't know them, same applies.

THIS will protect you from false prophets.

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Desiree (Starpop) on Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:18 pm

I was just going to add my two-cents-lol...Satan doesn't know the future just what is said and "put out in the air" and he plays off what is already known! (so therefore, he can't be prophetic since prophecy is finding out an event that WILL happen) I think that its so important to know the word of God for yourself because if you don't know the word its so easy for you to be confused and decieved with something that may sound like the word but really isn't! If you throw the word at Satan he usually flees!!!

*I hope this wasn't off topic?! hee hee

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by sC0rCh3d on Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:21 pm

regarding this 'whether the devil knows the future or not' debate, it just hit me.


since i still have questions regarding all this.


however, isn't there a verse in Revelation which declares that
"The Devil KNOWS his time is short..."?

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:50 pm

Sure. He's heard us say it a thousand times and he KNOWS the bible. But what he doesn't KNOW is what God hasn't declared. God hasn't declared when Jesus would return so he doesn't know that. He would know if he could see the future.


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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Mia Sherwood on Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:20 pm

Desiree (Starpop) wrote:I was just going to add my two-cents-lol...Satan doesn't know the future just what is said and "put out in the air" and he plays off what is already known! (so therefore, he can't be prophetic since prophecy is finding out an event that WILL happen) I think that its so important to know the word of God for yourself because if you don't know the word its so easy for you to be confused and decieved with something that may sound like the word but really isn't! If you throw the word at Satan he usually flees!!!

*I hope this wasn't off topic?! hee hee

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by hisbeauty4ashes on Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:41 pm

Okay can I share more on this topic? Yes another five cents. :puppy:

I have experienced several situations I had received dreams of death one was in regards to my own brothers murder. The Lord was preparing me for what was to come even though I did not understand the whole dream because of the contents of the dream. In the dream He took me into the room of Gods calenders events and I looked at a calender and on this certain date which was May 6-2005 something was going to take place. I knew in the dream what it was but when I woke up I could not remember. It was that date my brother was murdered. The Lord loved me so much to prepare me in a dream.for the darkest night of my life that was about to come. He also knew the murder would not be salved. He loves us so he often prepares our hearts and places those dreams in our lives to help us through it.

One week after my brothers death my mentor I did street ministry was killed in a head on car crash she had a dream just a few days before and in that dream it explained how she was going to die, and sure enough the dream came true. There was a preparation the Lord gave her. It turned out the girl that hit her was trying to attempt suicide so she decided to run her car into someone elses and so she used my mentor as the car to kill her self only she did not die my mentor did. This girl who lived was a drug addict and my mentor spent her life bringing people to Jesus who lived on the streets and was involved in drugs my mentor would of gave her life for the one. Well she did in that car accident. The lady that hit her did come to Jesus and is now serving him.

You see we often do not under stand his ways but we can trust him there is a greater purpose in the outcome. The enemy does to try to kill steal and destroy but in the end he loses because Gods love saved us from death.

Only He knows all things, and sees all things, and reveals all things. Like my friend above said, " We need to know the word and stay close to his heart it is there our eyes are opened to see what tries to hide its ugly head.

I know I am so in love with my Beloved Jesus I can not see straight.

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Re: Can the devil give us prophetic dreams?

Post by Dove-Solutions on Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:31 am

Hi all,

Here is my 2 cents worth. Where was Lucifer before he fell from heaven?.....He was the chief musician.....so that means he was in the very presence of God all the time. He knows the Word folks and most likely better than some of us....he will make you believe your dream is prophetic.....he will interject ideas and and dreams and try to hinder your walk with the Lord. He is the master deceiver......plain in simple.......NO he cannot give a prophetic dream.....he is a copy cat and a thief.....remember that always.....Jesus is the only one who can give us a prophetic dream.

Stay in the word and the truth will set you free!

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