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butterfly,

I think the last time I responded to you, you lashed out at me. If my memory serves me correctly, I wasn't disagreeing with what you were saying. I totally agreed with you that THAT is what was happening but the body of Christ should NOT react as the world does in that instance.

You were talking about how the economy was down spiraling and causing Christians to question God; even committing suicide. My question to you was, "Where is the God they believed in BEFORE the economy began to down spiral? Is He not the same God who gave them what they had in the beginning? Is He not the same God who made all those promises to them in His word and in prophecy? Is God still God? Did He not speak of all of this happening?

After asking these questions you lashed out saying...Virtuous, have you ever lost your home? Have you ever lost everything you have? Have you ever lost your job? Have you ever been broke? You were questioning my compassion for people who are hurting as if to say if I haven't gone through it I shouldn't say anything and that bothered me because I was doing just the opposite.

At THAT point is when I let you know that I have a YES answer to all of your questions and I went into grave detail about them all. THAT is my testimony because I (we - me and my THREE kids) DID lose everything I (we) had. But God - He kept me in my right mind and I trusted Him with ALL of it. I experienced His "peace that surpasses ALL understanding" through that time in my life. The struggle was still there. I still went through the fire but I also experienced that FOURTH man IN the fire with me. That's the TRUTH I was trying to get you to see. I recognized and respected the truth you exposed and I was only telling you the TRUTH that I experienced through the circumstances you mentioned but you didn't want to hear it. You just tried to make me out to be a heartless person when that clearly wasn't the case.

I read your post and have found them to be quite interesting to know but I don't respond to them because your TRUTH is what is happening in the world and like I said I respect it. But there is a TRUTH that God says about your truth. These things HAVE to happen but God has told us to be of good cheer because He have overcome the world and He has told us in His word how to do that.

Without your TRUTH, HIS TRUTH would not be brought to pass.

I hate that you feel unappreciated or like what you're doing in the name of the Lord is unnoticed but God sees your obedience to what He has called you to do. But I do want to thank you for putting it out there because I for one wouldn't know about it.

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No problem for me. I can be objective and STILL conduct myself with character and integrity whether I agree/disagree with someone or someone agree/disagree with me. I didn't know you thought I was being that way with you concerning President Obama. I can't speak for Jadams - I can only speak for myself. I never said you were not speaking TRUTH about Obama or anything else you spoke about. I only told you how I felt about what you were saying but that doesn't mean I dismissed what you were saying either. I see what's going on in the world and ALL I can do is pray about it just like everything else in my life. But I REFUSE to let it stress me out. Yes, I'm concerned but not to the point where I'm stressed out. THAT IS NOT HOW WE'RE SUPPOSE TO LIVE. Stress, depression, oppression is killing people everyday.

But it's cool, though cause I don't know what "sudden truth" you're talking about. Do what you do.

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butterfly,
I'm sorry that you feel that way. I, personally, didn't read the post about the man you spoke about. My heart goes out to his family. I can't say what I'd do if I was faced with what this man was faced with. I can only hope and pray that I am able to continue to believe what God says about me verses what others think.

As a Christian, I just look at it differently than you. The enemy will do and use whatever and whomever will allow him to use them to steal, kill and destroy the spirit of God's people. Look at what the enemy did to the spirit of this man. It killed him. It's up to us to stand on God's word and believe that we are more than conquerors...we are victorious!

We should be knowledgable of what's going on but that doesn't mean we should let it tear us down. It's good to know this stuff but it's even better to know that nothing surprises God and the outcome has already been established and recorded by the Ruler and Creator of all things. I want to know what God says about all this stuff. I want to know what God says I can do then He will do this or that. I don't just want to know what's going on, tell me what God says about what's going on and why. Tell me what's going on so I can find it in the word and take comfort on how God delivered His people from it.

Everything that's going on is a result of America turning it's back on God. Every bit of it and if we don't get it together and put God back where He belongs, it's going to keep getting worse. He rains on the just as well as the unjust but I KNOW where I'm going if this world comes to an end. I just need to spread the Good News so I can see all of my family and friends in heaven too. He's telling us everytime we open our bible's what we CAN do to get back in right standing with Him. His judgement has to come in order to fullfill his word. WE just have to repent as people of God, just as II Chronicles 7:14 says, we have to humble ourselves and pray, and turn from our wicked ways. This land needs healing and those of us who have done what this verse of scripture says, it'll happen. But we can't get so stressed out about it that we doubt that God can heal and deliver us.

I'm sorry butterfly, but I HAVE to have hope in God. Without it, I WON'T make it and I refuse to lie down and die. I want to live and as I live I will live for God and try to bring as many people to heaven with me as I can. But who would want to follow me if I'm soooooo stressed out about everything because I'm not taking God at His word. If their gonna be stressed they might as well stay in the world and continue life as they are.

Of course, we're suppose to have a heart for people who are less fortunate than we are and those like who you have just described. I am very sorry to hear about what is going on with you and your family as well as others like yours. Obeying God is your (our) weapon.

Again, I apologize for you feeling the way you do but I can honestly say that I haven't read a post from you in quite some time now.

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It's okay to get weary but just don't give up.

I read the article and it's heartbreaking. There should be something she and her husband can do about this!

I am so glad that we can encourage each other and work out our conflicts with each other, without doing things the way the world does them. I, for one, am tired of conflict, as I have experienced a great deal of it in my walk, but all of it has worked for my benefit. This will too.

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I thought about not writing this post. Some people won't respond to it. I know it. Some people will think that I have gone of the deep end. I know it. Before you read further, pray about what I am going to say, and then go and investigate what I am saying. Especially those that live in Texas, Vermont, NJ, California, Florida... I worked for a bank that has higher ups that have some things going on, that I knew I was not going to be able to be a part of. I thought I would elevate in that company, but when I got to be an officer, I overheard them talking about my walk with Christ. Not a problem for me, the Lord takes care of His children. But you have to realize as I saw for myself that this bank is taking over alot of banks and you will see more and more of that type of thing as the enemies of Christ push for a monetary system that has one universal type of denomination. There is already a eurodollar. What most people don't realize is that there has already been a push for an amero-dollar. It sounds funny and weird. But sadly, many christians are going to be caught up because they would rather ignore these things than to steel themselves up in the word to pray about these things, and to not be afraid of these changes. The money system has everything to do with the anti-christ, because he wants to have control over everything, thus imitating the Lord who has made all things-the earth is the Lord's and also the fullness of it. We will see many things.

One of the things that I have seen is Christians hounded until they have gone to the psych wards. There was an article written by John Kerr, formerly of the NY Times in 1991 about this chain of psychiatric hospitals from Psychiatric Solutions. PIA. They have had lawsuit after lawsuit. I found newspaper articles about them every other year. Those lawsuits involve the forcible institutionalization of individuals who did not need it just to get their insurance money. The company was paying headhunters to find people with insurance, then the doctors would write out a diagnosis suitable to submit to the courts to have people admitted involuntarily. (There was a company called NME that was doing this as well.) When the insurance money ran out for the year, the people were released. Their intake of patients is 22% higher than their nearest competitors. This year, though, there is a shareholder lawsuit. They also worked with soldiers and experimentation, and other things that the people of the US seem to be largely unaware of. I noticed that if people are not affected by this, they are much more likely to ignore it. The problem is this - if this is happening every year to many people, eventually it will affect your household or friendships. Or church. Think about it. How much credibility do you think a person has after having been admitted by a doctor with a PhD?...I did stop to think that this is a weapon that the enemy may have been deploying to take away the credibility of some of the saints with the world. Googled Karen Wetmore of Rutland, Vermont. She sued an institution for this very thing, and got over 5 million dollars. The CIA paid the head of the institute, a Dr. Hyde, (how appropriate) to do tests on his patients with LSD. His partner was the first person believed to bring it into the united states. There is some evil out there, and we need to be aware of it. Life is more than just 8 -12 hour work days, breakfast, lunch and dinner, and trying to get a let piece of the pie. The enemy plans on making us the pie. That is why we need to be aware of the times, and know that there is an enemy who has many traps and snares, and spiders (people with no moral conscience) to carry the agenda out. Let your conscience dictate to you whether you desire to share this article and research what I have shared with you by faith.

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Good things to bring to light ladies. It does seem to be ridiculous to those who haven't done any research because these issues are so huge, and they don't do anything obvious they always introduce it for the good of the people, and on the surface a lot of things do seem like they are good and the people that are sleeping are none the wiser. I can remember when some of this information was brought up, when it was I was busy working 15 hr days, so I wasn't doing much research outside my work days, and at first I thought there is no way, the whole world isn't a conspiracy. But after I stopped working had more time to research and yes dig in my bible more things became quite clear to me. We do need to be aware of these things, people do need to wake up. I know things have to be fulfilled for end times, so we must stand watch and be ready. The best way I think it is more understandable is that the people at the top know what's going on and the real reason why they do things (think pyramid), and you go down the worker bees don't know anything but think they are doing the right thing. It's like any company, if you've been in higher up positions you know you have a lot more knowledge than the average worker about what's going on in a company. Same w/the govt. the one running it.

Like both you ladies I agree these things seem weird and unbelievable to people. It's a lot to take in and pretty scary. But we are protected by the Lord and all we can do is share what we know, stand up and do something in the areas we can, pray and leave the rest to God.

I just say don't be so quick to trust the government, Bush had a private meeting for the Euro dollar way back. You won't hear about things like this in the regular media. As a matter of fact you won't hear most things that need to be heard in regular media. Sadly we sometimes have to look at other countries papers and news to see things. Population control isn't made up by the crazies, just do some research on the Codex where we are fighting to not let the UN have control, yes we the people are in court fighting this. We are the sickest country and have the most auto immune diseases, yet we give the most vaccines. You may want to rethink these vaccines.

Well I can go on and on, but I just encourage you to do some research on your own, it's wildly bizarre, but pray on it and give it to God, and of course don't spend more time researching these things than spending time in the word. It's very easy to get caught up in life and stay in your small bubble, which is where most people are, if it doesn't happen to them or upset there life than it doesn't matter to them, and thats what the "enemy" is counting on.

Butterfly, I haven't exp'd the things you have, but I have had my phone calls interrupted or disconnect when talking about these things, as well as loose connection on the internet to some places I was doing research on but could still go to other sites, and I know we haven't been the only ones.

Stay strong in the Lord, do your research - don't lack knowledge, things will be revealed to you through the Holy Spirit, and pray, pray in the Spirit!

God bless!

Yes, I agree. That is why I have posted this information under dreams to be interpreted as well. The only agenda that I have is a kingdom agenda. I really asked the Lord if I should say anything about this, and then I didn't hear a know, or a restraint in the Spirit. This came to my attention last year, and I just kept researching, and it is ridiculous how many articles from credible sources, published in credible newspapers were there at my disposal. I was like, "Oh my Lord". So, I made up my mind that I would not be afraid. I would speak when the Lord said speak, and say what the Lord says say, and do right as far as it be possible for me to do. So, if it makes me sound special, that is just the price to pay. It is not too high.